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Posted by Irishfan on July 23 2008, 01:30 AM GMT The problem I think is quite simple. Ireland and Scotland rarely play more than a one-off, or maybe back to back, ODIS. Even the three ODI series Ireland played against Bangladesh in March got over in about two weeks, including travelling time. So CI should insure that the money their players get paid over those two weeks will exceed what their counties will pay them over the same time. One day, playing for Ireland or Scotland will be more prestigious than playing for a county. But for now, money shouts! Posted by jkplatinum25 on July 18 2008, 01:12 AM GMT I believe that players must be released from their contracts to play international cricket. Certain measures/rules can be devised to ensure that players are released from county contracts to play international matches. For example, if a series is lasting 3 ODI matches, the top playes should play at least one ODI match, in other words, top players should be required to play one-third (1/3) of an international series. Ireland and Scotland are talented teams but if their best players such as Porterfield, Morgon, Poonia and O'Brien do not play for their country then their 'celebrity' and their identity disappear into oblivion since persons would forget that these great players came from small cricketing countries. Posted by Turlough on July 17 2008, 13:28 PM GMT It's funny, "Clickinfo", the line you take on the ECB's relations with European cricket is much the same which arouses so much indignation and sanctimony when it's "not the BCCI's problem." Where's the horrified defence of the primacy of international cricket so doggedly espoused by Cricinfo and other organs in relation to the IPL? Where the disdain for the quick buck merchant? How can it possibly be considered appropriate for a player who abandoned his national team to a world record defeat "to further his career" to captain that same national side again? Do Morgan, Porterfield et al think they'll be able to mess the ECB around the way they do CI if they ever achieve this rather distant goal of representing England? Do they think a history bottling out of ODIs will stand to them in their future international careers? We have a word in Ireland for this kind of thinking and the blasé, compliant attitude which Martin Williamson prescribes; minnowism. Posted by Clickinfo on July 17 2008, 09:31 AM GMT Turlough appears to have missed the point in his rush to get all hot under the collar. He assumes that playing for Ireland is the height of these guys ambitions and that the board are to blame for "refusing to take a tough line with the refuseniks". Such as? Ban them? Oh yes, that will solve everything. Fine them? How? The problem is not the ECB, although that is a convenient target for the ignorant to attack. What can they do and why on earth should they do anything anyway? It's Ireland and Scotland's problems and not theirs. And if you think playing against New Zealand in front of 200 people in a match (fewer than attend county games despite your ranting) which nobody can even be bothered to broadcast is more "prestigious" than playing in front of 20,000 in a Twenty20 game, then you're a bigger fool than your mail suggests. Posted by Turlough on July 16 2008, 21:30 PM GMT Claptrap. Typical rationalisation on the side of the big battalions. As for furthering one's career, anyone who'd sooner play a county match in front of four frozen pensioners at Aching-on-the-Kneeze or a Twenty20 thrashabout which will be consumed and forgotten like last night's pizza instead of a full ODI against one of the top sides in the world isn't thinking about prestige or their career, unless those words are euphemisms for money. The problem here is the ECB and its various arms and agents riding roughshod over European cricket. Cricket Ireland are primarily to blame for failing the establish or (even examine the possibility of establishing) a viable domestic structure and refusing to take a tough line with the refuseniks. As for being proud to see Joyce or Morgan or Porterfield turn their backs on Irish cricket, words fail me. "Know your place and run along, you little Associate scamps." Posted by Clickinfo on July 16 2008, 17:32 PM GMT Rich B - agree, but the point being made seems to be that you cannot force players to do what they don't want to do. If you or I was told that we had to risk our jobs/career to play cricket for our country then we would face a tough choice. Some would play, others would put their long-term career first. I agree with the author that you cannot force people to do something which jeapordizes that because somebody, probably who never has to face such a choice, decides it is right. Posted by Rich_B on July 16 2008, 16:39 PM GMT Of course players with pro contracts must play for their counties for the whole season, but what Siggins is asking for will hardly change that. Basically, due to retirements, injuries and several key players playing for counties, Ireland were effectively reduced to an 'A' team for what was supposed to be the centrepiece of their summer season - on ODI against New Zealand. The result was they got trounced. Whilst there's limited interest in ECC tournaments and Friends Provident matches (which are about development as much as anything else) on the odd occasion which really matters (a match against a full member which counts to the world league table or the Twenty20 world cup qualifier) Associates must be able to field their best team. We're only talking about the odd day or weekend a summer here. It's a situation which must be remedied before next year's world cup qualifier or one of the Super 8 teams from 2007 may not be there in 2011.
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